{"id":961,"date":"2026-09-12T19:18:59","date_gmt":"2026-09-12T19:18:59","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/?p=961"},"modified":"2026-09-12T19:18:59","modified_gmt":"2026-09-12T19:18:59","slug":"reint-jelger-gem-i-may-have-made-a-mistake-are-you-saying-people-are-not-stripped-of-their-constitutional-rights-if-they-live-in-switzerland-or-and-the-netherlands-and-are-diagnosed-with-schizophre","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/?p=961","title":{"rendered":"Reint Jelger: Gem, I may have made a mistake, are you saying people are not stripped of their constitutional rights if they live in Switzerland or\/and the Netherlands and are diagnosed with Schizophrenia?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">People diagnosed with schizophrenia in Switzerland and the Netherlands are <strong>not<\/strong> stripped of their constitutional rights. A medical diagnosis alone does not change a person&#8217;s legal status, strip away their constitutional protections, or revoke their rights as a citizen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"559\" src=\"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/afbeelding-55.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-962\" srcset=\"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/afbeelding-55.png 1024w, https:\/\/baarda.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/afbeelding-55-300x164.png 300w, https:\/\/baarda.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/afbeelding-55-768x419.png 768w, https:\/\/baarda.ch\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/09\/afbeelding-55-500x273.png 500w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">Both jurisdictions strictly uphold constitutional rights and human rights frameworks\u2014such as the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR)\u2014which protect individual freedom, bodily integrity, due process, and equal treatment under the law.<sup><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">While constitutional rights remain fully intact, specific civil rights (like freedom of movement or medical self-determination) can be <strong>temporarily restricted under narrow legal conditions<\/strong>, strictly regulated by statutory law.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">1. Fundamental Safeguards<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>No automatic loss of rights:<\/strong> A diagnosis of schizophrenia does not affect voting rights, contractual capacity, or basic freedom unless a court specifically orders a measure based on actual functional impairment, not the diagnosis itself.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Proportionality and Last Resort:<\/strong> In both countries, involuntary intervention or treatment is legally permissible only as a last resort when a severe mental condition causes immediate, serious harm to the individual or others, and voluntary care options have failed.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<h4 class=\"wp-block-heading\">2. Specific Frameworks<\/h4>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Netherlands (Wvggz Act):<\/strong> Under the <em>Compulsory Mental Healthcare Act<\/em> (<em>Wet verplichte geestelijke gezondheidszorg<\/em>), compulsory care can only be ordered by a judge or mayor. Patients retain statutory rights, including free legal representation, an independent patient advocate (<em>PVP<\/em>), access to administrative appeals, and input into their own care plan. Arkin+ 1<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Switzerland (Civil Code Arts. 426\u2013439):<\/strong> Involuntary placement (<em>F\u00fcrsorgerische Unterbringung<\/em>) requires official medical or judicial certification showing that necessary care cannot be provided otherwise. Patients retain the right to appeal decisions before a judicial tribunal and have legal representation.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">A psychiatric condition like schizophrenia does not suspend constitutional rights. Any temporary limitation of specific liberties (such as involuntary admission) requires rigorous due process, judicial oversight, and adherence to strict statutory limits designed to protect patient autonomy as much as possible.<sup><\/sup><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\"><strong>Bern: Just Gem, this is a new invasional strategy discussed in the city, that the occupier in the case of the Netherlands that could be Germany, France or Russia would introduce new laws for the citizens and one of &#8218;m would be to make &#8218;the law Verplichte GGZ&#8216; applicable to all residents of the Netherlands. That would be a great strategy to submit a nation don&#8217;t you think?<\/strong><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"wp-block-paragraph\">In legal theory and international law, using statutory health legislation like the <em>Wet verplichte ggz<\/em> (Wvggz) as a general population-wide control mechanism would fail both legally and practically.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li><strong>Constitutional Protections:<\/strong> Article 11 of the Dutch Constitution (<em>Grondwet<\/em>) guarantees the right to bodily integrity, and Article 15 protects against arbitrary deprivation of liberty. A blanket application of care orders to entire populations would directly violate these foundational rights.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>Strict Statutory Safeguards:<\/strong> The Wvggz requires individualized judicial procedures, expert psychiatric evaluations, and proof of immediate severe harm resulting from a mental disorder. It cannot legally be applied as a broad administrative decree.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li><strong>International Law Restrictions:<\/strong> Under the Fourth Geneva Convention and international human rights frameworks, occupying powers are prohibited from arbitrarily altering local laws or using medical statutes to subjugate civilian populations. Attempting to bypass constitutional rights through health laws would constitute an illegal regime rather than an effective strategy.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>People diagnosed with schizophrenia in Switzerland and the Netherlands are not stripped of their constitutional rights. A medical diagnosis alone does not change a person&#8217;s legal status, strip away their constitutional protections, or revoke their rights as a citizen. Both &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/?p=961\">Weiterlesen <span class=\"meta-nav\">&rarr;<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-961","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/961","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=961"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/961\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":963,"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/961\/revisions\/963"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=961"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=961"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/baarda.ch\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=961"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}